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About

Grid is a graphical user interface for Kodi. The goal for Grid is to provide an elegant and intuitive way of enjoying all the wonderful features that Kodi provides. The design and development focuses on feature quality rather than quantity with a lot of attention spent on the little details that matter.

License

This software is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license

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excerpt: "NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes."

To Kodi box sellers / streambox sellers, etc: This means you are not allowed to sell products with Grid (pre)installed without my prior written consent!

Any redistribution of this software (or modifications / derivatives of it) must include the original license files and an unmodified copy of this readme file. You cannot remove me, the original author, from the provider-name field in the addon.xml file.

Compatibility

Currently Grid is compatible with Kodi 17 Krypton and Kodi 18 Leia.

Language support

Grid currently supports these character sets:

  • Cyrillic (extended)
  • Greek (extended)
  • Hebrew
  • Latin (extended)
  • Vietnamese

Any other language is supported through the Unicode (Arial) fontset, but this comes with compromises on looks and usability. If you are interested in providing a translation of Grid into your language(s), you are more than welcome to. Join a language team or add a new language at Grid's Transifex project page

Download

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Official releases

Official, stable releases of Grid can be installed through the official Kodi repository. If you don't know how, check this guide. Any dependencies should be installed automatically.

Beta releases

These are released on a regular basis when preparing for an official release. While they are checked before upload, these builds are still to be considered as unstable. You can get these builds by installing my repository add-on, which can be downloaded here. Please refer to this guide if you don't know how to manually install add-ons in Kodi. Depending on your Kodi settings future updates to Grid will now be installed automatically, or you will be notified of the update.

Snapshot builds

These are generated by Github and contain the most recent changes at the time of downloading. They should be considered unstable and likely to contain bugs or broken / missing functionality. After you have downloaded this zip file, please refer to this guide if you don't know how to manually install skins in Kodi. Please make sure you have all required dependencies installed on your system before you attempt to install Grid.

Support

For any questions, discussion and support, please check the Grid section on the Kodi forums here

Add-ons

Required add-ons These add-ons are required by Grid. If you are missing one or more, Kodi will display a "Dependencies not met" error message when attempting to install. It is also possible you do not have the minimum required version of one of these add-ons. If you are using an official public release of Grid, these add-ons should be installed automatically by Kodi If you are manually installing Grid from Github, you may need to install one or more of these add-ons. Below is where you can find them.

Supported add-ons These add-ons are not required for installation but are needed for certain skin features. You will be prompted to install an add-on when you select such a feature.

Contribute

Even though I enjoy working on Grid greatly, a lot of time and effort is invested in it's development. If you enjoy my work and would like to buy me a beer to show your appreciation, any donation is appreciated greatly.

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Frequently asked questions

ZOMG!#$ this skin haz no filemanager! And the menu doesn't have shortcuts to X or Y!

Grid's main menu is completely customizable, meaning you can add any location or function to it's main menu. The items you see after installing Grid are merely defaults you can adjust to your liking. Go to System, Skin Settings, Menus to customize the main menu.

When installing, I get an error message saying "dependencies not met"

The cause for this is always one or more of the required add-ons not being installed on your system, or you're using a different (outdated) version of one or more of these add-ons. Make sure your add-ons are all updated.

I want to make modifications to Grid, can you tell me how?

I can point you in the right direction if I can, but I can't and won't talk you through it step by step. You will need to bring some self reliance, effort and willingness to learn. I am releasing Grid for free and my available time is limited, so don't be offended by me not offering you free skinning lessons too.

I only see unwatched status indicators. Is there an option to display watched status indicators as well?

No, there isn't and there never will be. There is an indicator if the item is unwatched or when it's partly watched. If there is no indicator, the item is not watched. I find this obvious and logical, and thus feel there is no added value in placing an indicator on files that have been watched. If you are reading a book, you place a bookmark where you stopped reading. You don't put a bookmark on every page you've read so far.

Can you make the main menu items in the vertical menu not open the submenu first?

No, that is not the way the menu works or can work. Any main menu item that has one or more submenu items will open the submenu first so you can get to it if needed. Press the main menu item one more time to open whatever the main menu's target is set at. Any main menu item without one or more submenu items will open the main menu item's target right away.

In that case, can you make the submenu open by pressing left? Then the main menu can open it's target right away

Aside from the fact that the vertical menu would have to be rewritten completely, this is not something I'll consider. There is nothing intuitive about pressing left to open a menu (on the right hand side even). In an application unfamiliar to someone the first instinctive thing is to press / click / tap the button, menu or any other control. Not moving or swiping to the left. Other than that opening a submenu is faster than when having to perform two different keypresses. And double clicking something isn't exactly unheard of in UX...

Will you add discarts ?

No, I find them incredibly tacky. Presenting digital media as physical media is just silly.

Make it an option!?

Still no.

Can you add feature X or Y?

Maybe. But don't get mad when I don't. As much as I hope people will enjoy using Grid, development is also driven by my own preferences. Also, please note that "because other skins have this feature too" is not a good reason for me to add it to Grid.

I have to stress that I am not a crowd pleaser. If someone has a great idea it would be stupid for me to ignore it, but I don’t make “Swiss army knife” type skins, nor design by commitee. As such I carefully select which features can be added in a way that fit in with the skin and my vision. That design / development principle makes my skins what they are, for better or for worse.

But if you don't want the features, why not just make it optional?

'Just make it an option' is short for 'I can't make design decisions'. It pollutes the UI and focus of the skin. Grid is not and will never be a swiss army knife type of skin. Apart from that, I just have no motivation to add features I wouldn't ever use myself.

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skin.grid's Issues

Submenu

Hi,

There's something bugging me about the main menu, I feel like the submenu items should be offset to the right a little bit, as well as being displayed in a smaller font. Only because when the submenu is activated, it appears to just blend in too much with the main menu items and becomes a bit messy to navigate, especially when the are a lot of submenu items.

I edited the skin to quickly to test this and it did look much better to me.. However I quickly realised that because of the way the submenu is designed this cannot be achieved without affecting the unfocussed main menu items.

Perhaps having the main menu as a seperate list? It will allow you much greater flexibility and in turn probably help fix a lot of the focus issues that keep being mentioned. I know you're probably trying to minimise code, but sometimes it's just needed.

request - rating available on poster view and info page

As the title suggests. I like the poster view but I love to see what ratings the movies have as this helps guide me to watch certain films/shows.
However, I can see that this may clutter the design, so I can understand why you wouldn't add this to the poster view.

Having said that, can we get the ratings visible on the movie info page?? right now you have the MPAA rating but no user ratings.

Right now when using the poster view there's absolutely no way to know the rating as it cannot be found on either of the windows which is a little frustrating.

Play/pause pvr

Play / pause buttons missing from OSD controls using pvr.

issues / suggestions 2.0

issues 2.0

  1. skin shortcuts - if you're customising the home menu, select a menu entry and press right to highlight any of the two edit buttons,
    then press up or down. You'd expect that pressing up/down should take you to the next menu entry, but instead the onup/ondown actions are mapped the same as the onleft action...
    Makes for really unpleasant navigation

reproduce:

  • press "customize home menu and widgets"
  • move right twice and select "Add Shortcut"
  • Press "right" to highlight the options button (represented by the 3 vertical dots)
  • From here, pressing "up" should take you up... but instead takes you left.
  1. Pressing "back" on the options menu within a library takes you "back" instead of just closing the options menu.
    this causes a bug where entering back into the library shows a blank options menu to the left, even though the options menu isn't in focus.
    see here:http://imgur.com/nJdcyog

  2. Should context menus perhaps appear in the center or align to the left if there's no art to display? looks odd having all that dead space to the left... Could be done by simply adding a slide animation with the appropriate conditions.
    http://imgur.com/yoBxlGb

  3. perhaps align square images to the top of the screen instead of the bottom in the context menus?
    This would probably go against the design though i guess... and might make the reflections look a little weird.
    http://imgur.com/hH1jJFw

  4. no recording/timer icons in EPG grid

  5. channel icons are still overlapping the watched status in recordings window.

With vertical minimal recently added movie missing in feed

With the vertical minimal home screen and widget feed as statusbar info, the recently added movie info is missing.

Question: did you make the youtube widget view in refocus? It was cool that it showed the thumbnail on top of the fanart. Not a huge miss, but it was a nice touch.

Failure at launch

https://pastebin.com/Cpxum5BK

Reboot on OSMC after selecting Grid as skin.

Interestingly, I managed to get the skin going briefly using another profile – was even able to adjust settings. However, when I exited to 'home' screen it only showed the grid wallpaper.

Beta testing - Information

Welcome!

You are now a member of the Grid beta testing team. This Github repository will be the home of Grid's source. Currently this repository is set to private, only people I have invited have access to it's contents.

This means I also trust you to not share anything you find here. This includes (the source of) the skin, but also any information about it including features, screenshots and so on. World peace doesn't depend on it, but I really want to keep details on the skin under wraps for the moment. I will probably share some information about the skin before the public release, but that hasn't been decided just yet.

Installing Grid

With that out of the way, let's talk about testing. It will not be long before I will push the first commit to this repository. For anyone not familiar with Github, when you are ready to install Grid:

  1. Go to the Code tab. There you will find the green Clone or download button.
  2. Click that button and choose Download zip
  3. Save it anywhere you want (I recommend saving it to the device you are going to install Grid on. Installing from network shares has been known to sometimes cause isssues)
  4. Install the skin in Kodi by going to the Addon browser and choosing Install from zip

Required add-ons

Depending on what add-ons you already have installed on your device, you may have to install additional add-ons before you are able to install Grid. The public release will be distributed through Kodi's repository, and any required add-ons will then be installed automatically. Until then, this has to be done manually. For more information on this, please refer to this page.

Posting bug reports

When you have a bug to report please:

  1. Go to the Issues tab above,
  2. Check if someone else has already reported the bug
  3. If not submit a new issue and describe the problem. You can attach files if needed.
  4. After reviewing your report, I will label the issue and of course will give you feedback on when I expect to fix it or ask you for more information.
  5. When I upload a fix I will label your bug report with rework test which means the issue should be solved but I would like a confirmation.

Whenever you report a bug, please always make sure you are using the latest commit.

Questions / discussion

If you have any questions please post them here on Github. There's no forum, but we can "abuse" the Issues tab for this. Simply post an issue, but apply the yellow Discussion label to it (see Labels on the right hand of the page). That way I can separate discussions / questions from the bugs.

Final note

I think that should cover the basics. As said, don't hesitate to ask questions.

I hope you will like Grid obviously, and I hope you will enjoy being part of this project. I would like to thank you all very much for helping out!

Widgets "busy" indicator

Widgets need a "busy" indicator to indicate they are loading / refreshing and can't be accessed yet.

Date overlays current time

"Skin Settings" – "Other" – "Show date" places date directly over current time (maybe if "Show Time" is selected too?)

White Movie/TV Title over White Background

In various Movie and TV views, most obvious in gallery, and in the Widgets, a movie title over a white background completely disappears. Perhaps a drop shadow or a slight dark opacity would resolve this cleanly.

Beta testing - Information

Welcome!

You are now a member of the Grid beta testing team. This Github repository will be the home of Grid's source. Currently this repository is set to private, only people I have invited have access to it's contents.

This means I also trust you to not share anything you find here. This includes (the source of) the skin, but also any information about it including features, screenshots and so on. World peace doesn't depend on it, but I really want to keep details on the skin under wraps for the moment. I will probably share some information about the skin before the public release, but that hasn't been decided just yet.

At the moment of writing this, Grid is not yet made available. I expect it to be some time this week.

Installing Grid

With that out of the way, let's talk about testing. It will not be long before I will push the first commit to this repository. For anyone not familiar with Github, when you are ready to install Grid:

  1. Go to the Code tab. There you will find the green Clone or download button.
  2. Click that button and choose Download zip
  3. Save it anywhere you want (I recommend saving it to the device you are going to install Grid on. Installing from network shares has been known to sometimes cause isssues)
  4. Install the skin in Kodi by going to the Addon browser and choosing Install from zip

Required add-ons

Depending on what add-ons you already have installed on your device, you may have to install additional add-ons before you are able to install Grid. The public release will be distributed through Kodi's repository, and any required add-ons will then be installed automatically. Until then, this has to be done manually. For more information on this, please refer to this page.

Posting bug reports

When you have a bug to report please:

  1. Go to the Issues tab above,
  2. Check if someone else has already reported the bug
  3. If not submit a new issue and describe the problem. You can attach files if needed.
  4. After reviewing your report, I will label the issue and of course will give you feedback on when I expect to fix it or ask you for more information.
  5. When I upload a fix I will label your bug report with rework test which means the issue should be solved but I would like a confirmation.

Whenever you report a bug, please always make sure you are using the latest commit.

Questions / discussion

If you have any questions please post them here on Github. There's no forum, but we can "abuse" the Issues tab for this. Simply post any questions in this issue. That way I can separate discussions / questions from the bug reports.

Final note

I think that should cover the basics. As said, don't hesitate to ask questions.

I hope you will like Grid obviously, and I hope you will enjoy being part of this project. I would like to thank you all very much for helping out!

Artwork & Fanart background view problem

Jeroen, the new update fixed the problem of hard drive access and storages. Now I can go get my images for the background Home menu.
This works fine (some problem with image slideshow), although I have a hard time understanding why there is Single image with Single and Multi image as choice
And Image slideshow, with simple and Multi image too. I have not seen what that changes.

On the other hand when I activate Single image, or Image slideshow now, there is no longer the follow-up of the fanarts on the views. It remains blocked on a only fanart (random).

I'll share a video for you to understand well my new problem ^^.
Video : ( pass = Grid )
Ps : https://pool185.seedbox.fr/files/index.php/s/FODnal537DXdVGX

Watched indicators - recordings and storage capacity.

I know PVR provably drives you nuts so I do apologise.

I'm happy you've fixed the channel logo thumbs overlapping the watched indicators in recordings, but can we get some watched indicators for recordings? Even if this means getting rid of the logo thumbs and using indicators instead as they're probably more important.

Also, some skins show the storage capacity information for the recordings folder (total space/used space) so we can see how much storage we have left. Is there anywhere we can fit this in the window?

Common Menu Item not listing properly

Adding "Favourites" common menu item to home menu or sub menu doesn't list contents. Another "common" menu item, "Movies", works fine – might just be "favourites"

Big List view logo's

The Big List viewtype is currently missing TV Show logo's when browsing nodes like watchlist, recently added episodes, etc.

PVR - recordings scraper

Hi Jeroen,

I made a comment on this commit: bfaccd7

Thought I'd better post here as I'm not sure if you're seeing the comments on the commits or not.
Just a couple lines of code needed for the pvr scraper to work on the recordings window as well.

Back to Menu Focus Issue

Vertical Minimal Menu - If I enter the movies sub menu and choose an item lower in the submenu (ex. Recently added), after navigating around the movies and backspacing out to the main menu, Movies is no longer in focus, instead the menu item in the position of the lower item (ex. Recently added) is highlighted, in my case, Add-ons.

Preparing for Beta 1

Hi everyone,

All of the reported bugs should either be solved, or I am working on them.

I would like to try if we can get the beta 1 release ready at some point next week. That should give us a stable base for Beta 2 in which I will be looking to implement some requests and things I had already planned.

The beta 2 testing period I hope we can limit to about 2 weeks max.

After that I think we will be ready for a public preview release.
I will possibly start a separate branch for a Kodi 18 / Leia compatible version, but I am not sure yet, will depend on how beta 2 goes.

So, I hereby kindly request to let me know of any bugs you encounter. If it is already an open issue you don't need to report it (unless you have new findings of course).

Thanks so far everybody for all your time, efforts and feedback!

Cheers,
Jeroen

Music Library, Artist, Fanart, Manual Selection Issues

Music Library, Artists, Context Menu, Artwork Options, Manual Configure, Fanart, Browse, 1) there is no option for selecting a network share, 2) there is a folder icon to the right of the X icon that cannot be selected, and 3) pressing right highlights the X icon but then the arrow keys become nonresponsive. To choose something other than X you need to use the mouse.

Skin Settings - Library navigation glitch

Entering Skin Settings - Library and navigating below "Ratings" heading I can't navigate back up again, can only go down. I can cycle all the way down and re-appear at the top again (or exit and re-enter category) but I don't think that's what you want.

It's the only settings category that does this, I think.

Setting artwork types for list view doesn't match items displayed for Movies

When I configure list view artwork type to Fanart and Landscape artwork to Fanart the list view for Movies displays landscape artwork.

TV Shows display fanart in list view and then when you enable Logos the fanart is shown together with the logo.

This is what should be the expected behaviour for Movies.

#2 When setting the background to Fanart (Movies and TVShows Only) does that mean the images are only fanart from Movies and TVShows OR the background is set for the menu items Movies and TVShows only?

I don't see any difference when I set the background to Fanart or Fanart (Movies and TVShows only)

logo / status indicator issues

Just updated.
1.You've reintroduced the logos overlaying the watched status in recordings lol

2.I like the logo overlay on the fanart.

  1. There's a microphone icon to the right of the channel list now.

  2. PVR OSDInfo doesn't show the channel name. Only shows the channel list number and program title.

  3. Watched status is now working on all views.

  4. Random 'back' arrows are now fixed on submenu items.

I would post photos but I'm in a rush. Let me know if you need more info.

Music visualisation et al.

When choosing visualisation in now playing artwork, i don't see the visualisation.
If you enable animated backgrounds it shows the visualisation for a second when the animation 'resets'.
It does work when you choose blend.

And long album names overlap with the now playing bar in the songs view. It shows three dots ... when the bar gets activated but the text doesn't get cut off. I see some text overlapping in other areas too. But you're probably aware of those (subtitle d/l e.g.)

Request:
I've been asking this a couple of times... sorry, you spoiled me in an earlier version of refocus.
I loved the stretched out album artwork on the home screen when playing music without fanart.
Also the visualisation visible on the home screen would be awesome too.

Colors too dark for some viewpoints

Hi Jeroen,
I tried some point of view. Save and load backup backup point of view. Here is an example that you should load and see some rendered. In the gallery view the plot text is too dark, otherwise too light. There are automatic settings in Kover with possibility to load (I work on this skin Kover to create different color set.)

I have encountered problems to load color backup after reset Grid origin.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mbpck7zx1tu50ak/Grid%20ColorTheme%20-%20White%20background%20.zip?dl=0
Grid could have community trading for custom colors. If you have custom colors of you, you can trade me and I can see if the exchange from Grid to Grid is functional.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p46lziz0enqha9y/screenshot000.png?dl=0

Feature Request: Widget Indicator

Perhaps I'm just dopey, but I think some kind of small widget indicator on the right hand side of the main menu screen in Vertical Minimal might be helpful for those that Don't think to press right to bring up the widget.

Additionally, it may be good to default the widget stream to Spotlight instead of full or add a bottom of the screen widget indicator as it took me quite a while to figure out that pressing down would show the other widgets.

Issues and suggestions

First of all... WOW, I just found my favourite skin.
This blows them all out of the water mate, hats off to you. Excellent work!

ok, let's get into it....
I'll list a few things that I've discovered after a short test, all cosmetic for now.
I'll list more as I find them.
First, I have a few questions/suggestions if you'll hear me out..

1. "select scrolling type" ... active/passive Doesn't appear to do anything ... is this to change from a standard list to a "Fixed list" ? if not , refer to question 2.

2. can we get an option to have all lists act as fixed lists with the focused item in the center of the screen? , it just feels so much better when navigating a list to have my eye focused on the center while the list is scrolling, otherwise once you reach the bottom of the page, you're just blindly scrolling the
list and can't anticipate what the next item is.

4. can you make use of the pvr artwork scraper in skin helper. You can create the following variable and point the blown up icon texture to it:
<variable name="PVRThumb"> <value condition="!IsEmpty(Window(Home).Property(SkinHelper.ListItem.Art.Fanart))">$INFO[Window(Home).Property(SkinHelper.ListItem.Art.Fanart)]</value> <value condition="!IsEmpty(Window(Home).Property(SkinHelper.ListItem.Art.Thumb))">$INFO[Window(Home).Property(SkinHelper.ListItem.Art.Thumb)]</value> <value condition="Window.IsVisible(MyPVRRecordings.xml)">$INFO[ListItem.Icon]</value> <value condition="Window.IsVisible(DialogPVRInfo.xml)">$INFO[ListItem.Icon]</value> </variable>

5. perhaps pressing up on video info should bring up a custom dialog that shows a fullsceen plot overlay with enlarged font... So if we want to clearly read the plot without struggling to make out the text we can do so easily from the info screen. See arctic zephyr for example.

6. I love using the slide view, but is there any chance you can make the posters a little samller so we can fit about 7 on the screen? as you can see, I have 700 movies... having only 4 visible on the screen at a time can be a little frustrating, see the beolow images for a comparision between Grid and AZ.
http://imgur.com/jODjoAY
http://imgur.com/E8wQWa7

7. Can you perhaps display a video window in the EPG grid when background video is detected?
and if nothing is currently playing, perhaps display the scraped fanart or thumb from the variable mentioned above?
http://imgur.com/dhGm3vQ

ISSUES:

I'll provide pictures... As it's easier to just point to the problem.

1. PVR Recordings - Icons are overlapping watched indicators:
http://imgur.com/m5jqmcp

2. Currectly playing dialog is showing up on top of video screensavers.... I actually don't mind this, but it's not how it should work. It should not be visible over a screensaver.
http://imgur.com/TkwkzGo

3. OSD Info is not aligned with the bottom of the screen
http://imgur.com/mlCW0mV
http://imgur.com/naQsE2x

4. OSD Channel List is too small and too transparent... nearly impossible to see the list as the background video shows through too much. perhaps changing it to a white colour like the options menus or that of Refocus.
http://imgur.com/QelfHwG

5. OSD Video/Audio settings header is meshing with another header
http://imgur.com/9XgvJPu
http://imgur.com/YBVELqz

6. No IMPAA Ratings in list view info line even though the setting is enabled.
http://imgur.com/xyMUd0x

7. OSD player control suffering from the same transparency issue
http://imgur.com/SsI3b1S

8. If you assign the variable mentioned above, we'll be able to see scraped fanart or thumbnails for PVR channels instead of a massive pixely version of the channel icon
http://imgur.com/xxrY0LT

9. When viewing cast information 'onright' and 'onback' function should act the same as pressing left, currently pressing right does nothing... Naturally its the first thing I tried, just feels weird pressing left to get back to the buttons
http://imgur.com/Smcugi8

10. EPG grid info does not scroll, I have the setting enabled.

11. Search - fullscreen visual keyboard says "enter search string" but doesn't display the search string.

12. No currently recording indicators on channels in channel list or timeline.... and no timer icon indicator in the timeline on programs that are scheduled for recording.

13. Weird characters displayed in timeline when an empty item is selected. Should probably display "No Information Available" instead.
http://imgur.com/v2KFfAl

14. Pressing "BACK" on the PVR timeline should take you back, not bring up the view options. the current "onleft" action is fine.

15. There seems to be a bunch of settings missing from the "PVR & LIVE TV SETTINGS" window.
have a look at estuary and you'll see

16. when header too long it'll overlapthe time/date
http://imgur.com/FwcGJM2

Feature Request: Widget Stream, Spotlight, Logo instead of Clearart

I noticed last night that the TV widget displays the clearart on the right side of the screen. It would be tremendous to have a settings option to change this to logos instead. Additionally, it would be nice to have this functionality on the movie widget as well. I'm a big fan of logos but have always found clearart odd, inconsistent, and often unavailable.

Feature request - skin settings

Hi Jeroen

Have a lot of catching up to do after being on the road the last week. Read through most of the issues reported and fixed.

Installed latest commit. Skin visually looks great, love your choice of font type for the headings.

Feature request:
In skin settings when customising submenu if you want to move the placement of items up or down you can only complete the move one position incrementally from the menu selection before it exits. Can the focus be maintained in the window so you can move multiple positions before exiting?

Are you considering displaying a message or indicator on the GRID splash screen so you know to wait while it completes loading the homepage. After installation I wasn't sure what was happening and was about to exit KODI when the homepage launched.

For Video OSD can the default position be set to the Pause or Stop button?

Will report back with more feedback after putting it through its paces.

Backup does not open storage slots!

When I activate the Grid Backup, it tells me succes full directly. I do not have access to the depot site. Then for restore, it opens the storage slots, but I can not find my backup. How is it named? Where is it stored? Thank you
Sorry if it is clear to find, but I am lost for a while on this point :(

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