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westnordost avatar westnordost commented on September 27, 2024 1

That's an early screenshot. There'll be an option for "footway, cycling explicitly forbidden"

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westnordost avatar westnordost commented on September 27, 2024

What makes that foot trail a foot trail? Is there a sign?

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Filbuntu avatar Filbuntu commented on September 27, 2024

Yes, it is an obvious foot trail and it states that it is for pedestrians and bicycles are not allowed.

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westnordost avatar westnordost commented on September 27, 2024

Right, good. So,

Or is there a reason not to have this option?

Yes, there is a reason to not have this option. See #4913

However, for the case of that there is actually a sign either prohibiting or allowing bikes explicitly, a solution is being worked on in #5575, in fact, it is basically complete.

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westnordost avatar westnordost commented on September 27, 2024

Hence, I will close this as duplicate of #4913

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Filbuntu avatar Filbuntu commented on September 27, 2024

Thank you for the quick response!
Mmh, I am not sure whether #5575 would solve the problem I had in my situation. Maybe I understand the new feature wrongly (Add "None, but a sign allows cycling on sidewalk" as an option for cycleway overlay/quest by wielandb ยท Pull Request #5575). In my case, there is only a mostly narrow footpath in a park, no sidewalk which allows cycling.
In #4913 the option "no cycling allowed (bicycle=no)" is mentioned but I can not find this:
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Filbuntu avatar Filbuntu commented on September 27, 2024

Great! Thanks in advance for adding this option!
For more clarity: Would it be possible to add (Foot & bicycle allowed) to the option "Path or Trail"? E.g Path or Trail (Foot & bicycle allowed).
If you come up with a better wording, this fine, too ๐Ÿ˜Š.

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westnordost avatar westnordost commented on September 27, 2024

Only because it is a path does not necessarily mean both foot and bicycle are allowed. May depend on the local legislation. "Path or trail" is highway=path, nothing more, nothing less.

If it is explicitly signed to be a footway, there is that option. If it is explicitly signed to either allow or prohibit bicycles, there are those other (soon to be added) options.

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Filbuntu avatar Filbuntu commented on September 27, 2024

Thank you for the clarification. It seems more complicated than I thought ๐Ÿ˜Š.
In my situation, I mapped a trail as "Path or Trail" in the StreetComplete app (it was "red" (not mapped) in the cycleways overlay) and it was tagged as highway=path (from the previous tagging highway=footway) and bicycle=yes (from bicycle=no) which I discovered when I checked on OSM.
Could the tagging highway=path trigger different other tagging (like bicycle, foot) depending on the specific country?

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westnordost avatar westnordost commented on September 27, 2024

Country-specific tagging behavior that are not based on actually different on-site situations but just local tagging practice preference would be too complex to implement and maintain.

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westnordost avatar westnordost commented on September 27, 2024

Not sure why highway=footway + bicycle=no was marked red before, though. That would be a bug. But, well, no point in investigating, at least not until it can be reproduced after #5575 is merged and released.

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Filbuntu avatar Filbuntu commented on September 27, 2024

Thank you for your helpful clarifications!
With the new options there should be no problem anymore.
Keep up the excellent work!

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