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Lanius-collaris avatar Lanius-collaris commented on June 21, 2024 1

I understand the performance would be better in these lines, but without walls? Probably not. Just dig into OONI data to see if any Chinese probe can access blocked foreign news sites.

AS4538 (China Education and Research Network Center) :
https://explorer.ooni.org/chart/mat?probe_cc=CN&probe_asn=AS4538&since=2023-05-05&until=2024-05-06&time_grain=month&axis_x=measurement_start_day&test_name=web_connectivity
A large, persistent drop in OONI measurement coverage from AS4538. 🙃

https://www.jsdelivr.com/globalping
Globalping can also be used to test some domains. (Some censored domains can't trigger TCP RST bidirectionally)

PoC

test type: HTTP
target: 101.6.15.130 (mirrors.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn)
location: USA
limit: 5
host: www.nytimes.com, f-droid.org, www.shu.ac.uk, gist.github.com
port: 443
protocol: HTTPS
method: GET

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mmmray avatar mmmray commented on June 21, 2024

naive question: is there any indication that the government even wants to block the games or the booster services at all?

When I installed one of these apps and ran them, there was a "key icon" on my phone status bar, I think it woeks as a VPN?

to my knowledge they work like VPN/proxy in the sense that traffic is tunneled to 1) change the outcome of QoS 2) use a higher-quality uplink, but they cannot be used to access arbitrary services.

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RPRX avatar RPRX commented on June 21, 2024

热知识:在**,有一些“没有墙”的“专线”供政府、学术机构(比如大学)、愿意出高价的人(比如大型企业)使用

Hot Knowledge: In China, there are "private lines" without walls for the government, academic institutions (e.g., universities), and those willing to pay high prices (e.g., large corporations).

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wkrp avatar wkrp commented on June 21, 2024

热知识:在**,有一些“没有墙”的“专线”供政府、学术机构(比如大学)、愿意出高价的人(比如大型企业)使用

Hot Knowledge: In China, there are "private lines" without walls for the government, academic institutions (e.g., universities), and those willing to pay high prices (e.g., large corporations).

Yes, that's my understanding. There's some discussion of high-speed transnational gateways in the "Great Bottleneck" paper (previous discussion #96). I presumed that the gaming booster services paid more money for higher-quality links.

https://censorbib.nymity.ch/pdf/Zhu2020a.pdf#page=19
https://meetbot.debian.net/tor-meeting/2021/tor-meeting.2021-10-28-16.00.log.html#l-172

According to a recent report by China Academy of Information and Communications Technology, all the three state-own ISPs have set up a premium transnational network (primarily for business uses) to maximize their profit. For example, China Telecom Global’s official website explicitly claims four tiers of services to connect to Chinese users. (1) China Access, (2) ChinaNet Paid-Peer, (3) Global Transit (GT), (4) Global Internet Access (GIA). Basically, the first three share the same point-of-presence or international gateway and therefore similar potential bottleneck, while Global Internet Access has a different dedicated CN2 international gateway.

Here's an archived page about China Telecom's tiers:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230420180335/https://www.chinatelecomglobal.com/expertise?category=product-and-services&subcategory=internet&pid=gis

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UjuiUjuMandan avatar UjuiUjuMandan commented on June 21, 2024

Hot Knowledge: In China, there are "private lines" without walls for the government, academic institutions (e.g., universities), and those willing to pay high prices (e.g., large corporations).

I understand the performance would be better in these lines, but without walls? Probably not. Just dig into OONI data to see if any Chinese probe can access blocked foreign news sites.

For your information, many institutions, including Renmin University, have public bidding for foreign academic websites acceleration, or say censorship circumvention. And the expensive tool they bought is actually a Chromium based browser with Shadowsocks extension. Lol.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210528025918/https://www.solidot.org/story?sid=67888

https://qccdata.qichacha.com/tender/attach/86712679732b0de5cbfbac3e98c03604.pdf

There's some discussion of high-speed transnational gateways in the "Great Bottleneck" paper (previous discussion #96). I presumed that the gaming booster services paid more money for higher-quality links.

Yes high quality, but they did not mention anything about censorshIp or not.

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momigapi1990 avatar momigapi1990 commented on June 21, 2024

any indication that the government even wants to block the games or the booster services at all?

Video games/mmo games are not priority targets to block access, at the same time they are still treated as published material out of the regime's reach, there can be unwanted content inside, (similar to Instagram, search engines etc.) not serious and not safe either
Example:
Communists vs Alliance in Red Alert2
PLA army in an old RTS genre
reference of Covid, or mocking That Emperor using nickname or whatever way

And on top of that, global games always have google,FB login options to create user profiles, another reason these game publishers are not compatible, and the boost services have their day:
games supported are limtied=lower risk, and they are paying=tax and income

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wkrp avatar wkrp commented on June 21, 2024

AS4538 (China Education and Research Network Center) :
https://explorer.ooni.org/chart/mat?probe_cc=CN&probe_asn=AS4538&since=2023-05-05&until=2024-05-06&time_grain=month&axis_x=measurement_start_day&test_name=web_connectivity
A large, persistent drop in OONI measurement coverage from AS4538. 🙃

BTW the cause of the drop in OONI measurements from China since 2023-07 is known. See:

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Lanius-collaris avatar Lanius-collaris commented on June 21, 2024

BTW the cause of the drop in OONI measurements from China since 2023-07 is known. See:

* [OONI blocking (website and backend infrastructure) in China since 2023-07-07 #270](https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/270)

@wkrp
The point is, blocking of OONI seems to impact AS4538. A few years ago, some people told me the China Education and Research Network had "privilege".

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