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yoyo-go avatar yoyo-go commented on July 18, 2024

Hi @fcbond and @goodmami , may I ask how to decide whether a lemma is an example of the Role-based relation?

For instance, we say pen is an instrument of to write, but when we search pen in wordnet, we cannot find the instrument role relation under the Synset relations section, so how can I decide wheether my examples are right for the relation or not?

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fcbond avatar fcbond commented on July 18, 2024

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yoyo-go avatar yoyo-go commented on July 18, 2024

Currently PWN has no role relations, so I think we will just have to take examples from the EWN documentation.

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Do you mean the EWN general document? I have found out there are tests of Role-based relations, but only one example is given to each relation in the test, is that enough for our docs?

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fcbond avatar fcbond commented on July 18, 2024

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goodmami avatar goodmami commented on July 18, 2024

Perhaps we need a disclaimer somewhere saying that not all relations are used by the Princeton/English Wordnet, so some examples are just illustrative?

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fcbond avatar fcbond commented on July 18, 2024

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goodmami avatar goodmami commented on July 18, 2024

In general I think it could be much clearer which wordnets use which roles, because a single wordnet generally includes only a fraction of those here. For example, the ability to hide all relations not used by some wordnet. But if we're including examples using English words or synsets and they are not actually present in the English wordnet, I think it is misleading. We should instead use an example from a wordnet that does have the relation, either in the original language or translated to English via the ILI. In the latter case, we should be clear that it is a translation and refer to the original wordnet.

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arademaker avatar arademaker commented on July 18, 2024

Currently PWN has no role relations, so I think we will just have to take
examples from the EWN documentation.

Hi @fcbond some are in the morphosemantic links like "run/runner". Should we document these relations and incorporate them in the PWN data?

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fcbond avatar fcbond commented on July 18, 2024

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yoyo-go avatar yoyo-go commented on July 18, 2024

There is external data for role links, both for English (from Christianne) and Japanese (from my student Ryan and I). We could make a new wordnet just adding these and use that for the relations. Anyone interested in doing this?

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Do you mean to add more role-based relations to the wordnet? I can help after finishing the exisitng relations.

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fcbond avatar fcbond commented on July 18, 2024

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fcbond avatar fcbond commented on July 18, 2024

Closed by #47

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