I must write something

Thanks to this saint it seems possible in some way.

I have to include pydbgr support with emacs-dbgr.

Write a little makefile and make an archive with the stuff packaged, maybe a website and blog posts enhance the visibility

I want emacs for python to be customizable and less-intrusive, it provides various customization that overlap with the emacs-starter-kit package.

Various Ideas

Idea 1

Split the package in:

• epy-python.el (python settings and libraries)
• epy-completion.el (completion settings)
• epy-editing.el (generic editing settings)
• epy-keybindings.el (keybindings)

It should also include the path manipulation with something like epy-load.el
It should also include a shortcut for all packages, with epy-init.el (so this not break the old behaviour, and this is an highly desiderable feature).

And prepare another version for the emacs-for-python integration with emacs-starter-kit in a separate repository.

Problems : not easy to conciliate with emacs-starter-kit in a really integrated manner, I have to mantain two separate repositories and they can be easily out of sync.

Workarounds: It's possible to solve this problem using some scripts and a beautiful modularity.

Idea 2

Split the package in:

• starter-kit-python.el [starter-kit-ropemacs.el]
• starter-kit-completion.el
• epy-editing.el
• epy-keybindings.el

In this way it's easier the integration with emacs-starter-kit, since it's sufficient to copy-paste the starter-kit-files (and move the libraries properly).

Problems : it's a bit ugly for configuration in .emacs, for example:

(require 'starter-kit-python) ;; instead of (require 'epy-python)
(require 'epy-editing)

Accepted Solution

Idea 1 seems really better, I'll do some script to mirror it.

To complete the reorganization:

• Cleaning tasks
  • flymake has to be a bit revisited
• Adaptation
  • Makefile has to be rewritten with the new organization
  • Write a script that port the stuff to emacs-starter-kit repository

Describe best practices about using the rope library to refactor code

I can use eproject.el and modify to get a configuration for running tests (like eclipse does in some way)

Nothing much to say

I've to add the virtualenv extension because it's yet ready.

TODO:
bundle eproject in emacs-for-python
write the eproject -virt and -workon integration commands

(This is for your emacs-starter-kit fork, though I imagine it exists here).

I've a snippet for pdb defined as

#contributor : matt harrison 
#pdb : import pdb; pdb.set_trace()
# --
import pdb; pdb.set_trace()

It works the first time. On subsequent typings of pdb I get autocompletion instead of yasnippet. (ie pdb expanding to pdb|Pdb instead of "import pdb; pdb.set_trace")

• yasnippet setupping
• bracket problems?
• pymacs inclusion (portability issue with the load path)

1. Download emacs-for-python-0.2.1 and placed in ~.emacs.d (on WinXP)
2. Added (load-file = "~.emacs.d\emacs-for-python-0.2.1\epy-init.el") to my .emacs file
3. started emacs

I got this error:
"Symbol's value as variable is void: = "

Currently I haven't a linux machine to test on, but during the past week end I had a similar error on my Ubuntu PC, but the void variable was yas/tables (AFAIR).

And describe how to use them in an efficient way

I can bundle a checker

To solve we can monkeypatch (instead of real patching) the library or try to solve in another way.

Pylint seems to be far more complete that pyflakes, there's a way to make it behave right with flymake.

Make decisions about:

1. Should I bundle it?
2. Should I leave the user to choose to use pyflakes instead?
3. To complete the choices should I have to enable pep8 support?

Fixes serious CSS bug I stumbled upon recently: m2ym/auto-complete#27.

The issue is that pymacs interaction would end up hanging when talking to the python interpreter, needing the interpreter to be killed. After that, emacs couldn't save. The discussion for the issue can be found at http://groups.google.com/group/rope-dev/browse_thread/thread/b74cca6ccf05608c.

I was consistently able to reproduce this by importing os, and then typing "os.". At that point, everything would freeze.

I created a fork at https://github.com/nortonp/emacs-for-python that has pymacs-0.24b2. This fixes the issue.

Possible solutions are:

• include a patched version of flymake
• writing a little script that munges pyflakes (or/and others) to include the ^[Ww]arning regex
• including pyflakes and/or others (like pep8) scripts in the distribution

remember to test on a clean environment

Autocompletion is good for editing already written python modules, but for writing a script from scratch is almost unuseful, there's a need of a lightweight completion source, for example pycomplete or pysmell.

Otherwise ropemacs would give a great job, but the rope-source is broken, I guess.

Cedet/Semantic works?

http://groups.google.com/group/rope-dev/browse_thread/thread/03437de6163e6303

I can solve with this workaround:
(defun region-active-p () (and transient-mark-mode mark-active))

This issue is related with #23.
The bundled apps are growing in size so I have to clean up a bit the directory structure that is quite messy, maybe to provide an installer.

Some features are duplicated, I can remove them and suggest to use emacs starter kit stuff.

Plans/Decisions for the virtualenv extension:

command virtualenv-activate : will activate the virtualenv
command virtualenv-deactivate: deactivate current virtualenv
command virutalenv-make (optionally): make a virtualenv
command virtualenv-workon(partially implemented): to use with virtualenvwrapper, with autocompletion on various envs.

The problem is the virtualenv scope, limited to the current buffer, or in the whole emacs session?

This is quite an issue since it's becoming very large in size. In addition updating of the libraries can be quite a pain since are all statically included.

Solutions

1. Removing the bundles and download the various stuff with a script
2. Bundling in a compressed format
3. Combination of 1) e 2)
4. Using elpa?

The eproject package seems to provide a lot of features in an easy way:

• build targets
• unit test targets
• run targets
• project list
• per-project config file (with wizard)

http://code.google.com/p/yasnippet/issues/detail?id=37

epy ---> stkit

new snippets

stkit ---> epy

I've to test if customizing the flymake checker works in all situations.

Followed your instructions to load epy-init.el and it crashed and burned with the following output from emacs --debug-init:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable yas/tables)
(maphash (lambda (kk vv) (push ... candidates)) yas/tables)
(let (candidates) (maphash (lambda ... ...) yas/tables) (apply (quote append) candidates))
epy-get-all-snips()
(concatenate (quote list) ac-ignores (epy-get-all-snips))
(setq ac-ignores (concatenate (quote list) ac-ignores (epy-get-all-snips)))

Had to move "Customizing" section of epy-python.el to before Flymake configuration to fix this:

;; Customizing
(setq flymake-enable-pyflakes t)
(setq flymake-enable-pylint nil)
(setq flymake-enable-pep8 nil)

;; Python or python mode?
(eval-after-load 'python
 '(progn
 ;; Ropemacs
 (setup-ropemacs)

 ;; Virtualenv Commands
 (autoload 'activate-virtualenv "virtualenv" "Activate a Virtual Environment specified by PATH")
 (autoload 'workon "virtualenv" "Activate a Virtual Environment present using virtualenvwrapper")

 ;; Flymake for python configuration
 (require 'python-flymake)

 (when flymake-enable-pyflakes
   (flymake-add-checker 'flymake-pyflakes-init))

 (when flymake-enable-pylint
   (flymake-add-checker 'flymake-pylint-init))

 (when flymake-enable-pep8
   (flymake-add-checker 'flymake-pep8-init)))
)

Setup a good makefile to provide:

• compilation
• installation
• packaging
• emacs-starter-kit translation

I didn't see anywhere on your emacs-starter-kit to file issues. So I'll file it here. Feel free to point me somewhere else :)

I following the instructions for install, got some errors, did the M-x regen-autoloads and M-x recompile-init. I then loaded a python file and got the following in Messages:

Pymacs loading ropemacs...done
setq: Symbol's value as variable is void: flymake-info-line-regex
Undo! [2 times]

Instead of going into python mode I stay in fundamental mode :(

Add to .bashrc the

export PYMACS_PYTHON=python2

http://bitbucket.org/durin42/nosemacs

The reason is that isn't the purpose of the package, anyway I can provide a file with my choice, see also emacs starter kit

Do a lot of screencast and screenshots to show the features