new ocean and ice parameters in Code Table 4.2, Discipline 10 about grib2 HOT 10 OPEN

Dear @jbathegit and @AndrewBenjamin-NOAA ,

I have a couple of comments regarding your proposal.

1. regarding entries in discipline 10, category 2: I would suggest that you use entries 173 and 175 from Code Table 4.5 in conjonction with your proposed entry 10/2/27 for snow thickness over sea ice. Note that if you are interested in the more accurate snow mass per unit area over sea ice ( m3 m-2 which is also units "m" by cancelation), then you should use entry 10/2/16 . This is more accurate than the physical thickness (what you propose) as it is independent of the snow density.

2. regarding entries in discipline 10, category 4: we have very similar parameters at ECMWF that we encode using sigma theta instead of rho but with the same density difference of 0.125 and 0.03. You can see them here:

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262115

Could you check that these are not the same? I know that there are multiple to compute density of sea water depending on temperature, pressure and salinity: rho, sigma, sigma-t, sigma theta, etc.
In any case, if you require specificically "rho", I would suggest that you create a new type of level in code Table 4.5 similar to entries 169, 170 and 171.

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@sebvi I will consult with the requesting developer and provide an update. One quick note: I still see 173 as reserved in Code Table 4.5, did you mean 174?

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I have collected feedback from several developers and here is what was proposed:

1. Snow thickness (on ice) (10/2/27): Will use entry from 10/2/16

2. Mixed layer depth (delta rho) (10/4/52-53) Received confirmation from the developers that the calculation from the 2 EMCWF fields provided and what is done here are not the same. It was suggested that 10/4/14(water depth) be used in lieu of adding the 2 original fields, with an update to Table 4.5

Here is a revised new parameters list for Code table 4.2, Discipline 10 (Oceanographic products):
Category 2 (Ice):

And an additional entry in table 4.5 to accurately depict fixed levels based on density using rho:

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following @AndrewBenjamin-NOAA feedback and proposed changes to the original request, I fully support this proposal.

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Thanks @AndrewBenjamin-NOAA and @sebvi, and FYI that I just updated the proposal in the first (main) post of this thread to reflect the revised agreement, since that's typically where everyone goes to see the details.

In other words, people may not necessarily scroll down through the entire thread to read and digest the ensuing discussion, so I think it's a good idea if the top post of the thread always contains the details of the latest version :-)

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https://github.com/wmo-im/CCT/wiki/Teleconference.17.18.October.2023 notes:
Jeff presented the proposal; team agrees to the proposal; @amilan17 create branch

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@AndrewBenjamin-NOAA @sebvi

I just started updating this branch in GitHub, and I just wanted to clarify something:

Should the new CT 4.5 entry have a unit of kg m-3 to match that of existing entry 169 in CT 4.5? Or is it unitless and should just be listed in the table as - for the Unit column?

Please let me know, and sorry that the science behind this is a bit out of my swim lane ;-)

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Good questions @jbathegit. Waiting to hear back from GFS ocean developers, will provide clarification shortly.

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https://github.com/wmo-im/CCT/wiki/Teleconference.21.22.November.2023 notes:
branch still needs to be updated;

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@amilan17

The 222-new-ocean-and-ice-parameters-in-code-table-42-discipline-10-1 branch has now been updated - thanks!

I just wanted to clarify with the above URL, because it looks like there's also a second duplicate branch 222-new-ocean-and-ice-parameters-in-code-table-42-discipline-10 (i.e. without the trailing -1), and I didn't update that second one.

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