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domenic avatar domenic commented on June 1, 2024 2

Thanks for starting this thread!

From the web developers we've talked to who work on SPAs, they expect to not start getting SPA navs from their cross-document nav telemetry endpoints, and they expect to get a different set of data. In particular they found the idea of getting all the network timing stuff for SPA navs confusing.

Also, a couple points of clarification:

  • The app history proposal plan is to send "same-document-navigation" for all same-document navigations, whether they're initiated from app history or via other APIs like fragment navigations or history.pushState(). This will become much clearer once we write an actual spec :).

  • There's also the .name field which we inherit from PerformanceEntry. We plan to put the URL there since apparently in performance API land "name" means "URL" :)

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yoavweiss avatar yoavweiss commented on June 1, 2024

^^ @domenic

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clelland avatar clelland commented on June 1, 2024

In meeting with a number of RUM analytics providers, Google has heard solid support for a new event type for bfcache navs, rather than exposing them as PerformanceNavigationTiming events. It wouldn't need all of the network-level timing members.

There's also a lot of interest, in that case, to have a future-proof "all-navigations" observer (we didn't ask for opinions on the name there; I'm sure there's room to bikeshed)

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clelland avatar clelland commented on June 1, 2024

#192 is the start of an attempt to add support for this.

It seems that there are a couple of ways we could go to have the spec recognize certain performance entries as 'navigations':

  1. The simplest and least extensible is to hard code the list of types which should be considered navigations into this spec, naming them as specific strings.
  2. Just a little bit better is to add an internal boolean isNavigation to PerformanceEntry. This would be set by navigation timing events, app history navs, bfcache navs, etc. In algorithms, we'd use that boolean to match events of pseudo-"type" all-navigations. This makes navigations special, and requires specific handling for them in this spec.
  3. We could instead add a category enum to PerformanceEntry, with values like "Navigation", "Resource", "User", etc, and then specs which create PerformanceEntry objects will need to choose a category for their events. This is similar to the first option, but navigations aren't special: Every category could have similar treatment. It still requires central control over the category list in the PerformanceTimeline spec.
  4. (Most flexible and decentralized) We could make the category a free-form string, set by each spec independently. NavigationTiming, AppHistory, and bfcache navs would all set this to "navigations" or something similar, and PerformanceTimeline wouldn't know about the values that any particular entry uses. Getting entries of "type" all-X would just return all those with category X.

These should all be invisible to the user; this is just about spec ergonomics, and how easy it is to expand on this idea in the future. My inclination is to avoid over-engineering by starting with #2 (an isNavigation boolean) and moving to the more complex solutions when and only when there is a real use case for them.

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clelland avatar clelland commented on June 1, 2024

There's also been significant discussion of this on WICG/soft-navigations#12, but I'll try to steer that discussion back here, since this is where it would eventually need to be implemented.

It sounds like what we need is

  • an id of some sort for all "navigation-like" entries -- @noamr has suggested that the name property could be used, although I don't think we can do that for the initial fetch navigation. We could use a UUID, or a semantic string like "-" instead, or we could even make it opaque and up to the user agent to ensure that they are unique within a document's lifetime.
  • a navigationId property on all timeline entries, to associate them with the navigation which was active when they were created.
  • a getEntriesByNavigationId method to retrieve all object with a given navigation id.

And maybe, for ergonomics:

  • A navigationId key in PerformanceObserverInit?
  • performance.currentNavigationId to know whether an entry is associated with the most recent navigation or not?
  • a supertype, 'all-navigations' for filtering all navigation-like entries, without having to enumerate them.

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