Create a new mailing list about paramiko HOT 13 CLOSED

While this is not the cause of the list being down, the project is under new ownership (me) and I do plan to set up a new mailing list of some kind (probably defaulting to librelist.com at least for now -- really don't want to run my own mailman) once I get things organized.

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Would be useful to import the archive first, if that is at all possible.

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Yea I'll need to ask @robey if he can spare a few minutes sometime to send me some tarballs of the list archives + the website.

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Sounds like he doesn't have a copy available, says the DNS caused problems starting around 2008. I'm seeing a GMANE archive through 2010 here: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.paramiko but OTOH that means...anybody who needs old ML posts can just check GMANE.

Since that's a public archive they don't seem to post email addresses, but oh well. Starting fresh soon I guess.

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Making this the "make a mailing list" official ticket...

I don't see anything out there that looks any good besides Google Groups (which is kind of meh; nobody I know seems happy with it these days) and LibreList (which has a low bus factor, but seems actively used and I don't think Zed would ever just up & nuke it without giving people fair warning). So, leaning LibreList.

Folks I need to ping (have emails in my personal inbox, not going to post them publicly):

• Mike Gabriel

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Derp derp. Really should do this soon. Librelist still at top of my list, though pallets/flask#682 makes me slightly hesitant as it implies Zed doesn't have the time/energy to keep it going consistently (and while I'd like to, I do not have the time/energy myself to contribute).

Also https://bitbucket.org/tarek/flake8/issue/84/creation-of-a-mailing-list - they seem to have settled on librelist but ended up going with an actual @python.org list instead. Going by http://www.python.org/community/lists/ it's unclear just who can get such a list, I see almost no third party / non overarching community topics there or even on the SIG page.

(Also, all else equal, I'm not sure mailman is any easier to use than librelist, for users...heh.)

@offbyone mentioned http://www.discourse.org/ but they're super new/unproven, their own FAQ says beware, and there is no ability to get a dedicated hosted site/list without self-hosting right now.

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Main thought right now is that even a potentially (and again, this is wholly unproven) unstable Librelist list would be quite a lot better than our current solution (nothing). I just want to avoid growing a list membership only to lose it again should LL end up going away. Will wait for a bit more feedback from my tweeps before I do anything.

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Looking at the FAQ, they mostly seem to be concerned with the effort of migrating existing communities (http://www.discourse.org/faq/#switch); I'd say that a new list might be worth moving on to it for.

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@offbyone am I blind though, or is there no stable "make your own dedicated subcommunity" offering there yet? Sounds like I'd need to deploy my own, which I'm hoping to avoid :)

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I suspect you're right. Hosted discussions seem to be a bit of a dead business at the moment (witness the doom of Convore, for example). I don't trust Google to keep groups going either :/

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What about http://moot.it/? @kennethreitz mentioned it on the twitters earlier this week.

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I absolutely don't trust the viability of Google Groups, no. I'd rather self-host a mailman than go that route :D (and I do not say that lightly -- screw self hosting mail + mailman ever again, been there, done that, nearly hung myself with the t-shirt).

Moot looks pretty awesome and has some big names attached, though I'm sad they haven't apparently said how they plan to monetize it -- always a huge red flag for a free product. It also doesn't seem to actually do much email; I definitely want a real ML. Many folks prefer email, if they didn't I'd just prioritize setting up a static site + blog w/ Disqus :)

Still good to have it on the list though, thanks!

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Got Librelist working for Invoke, reckon it's good enough for here too. Trying it out now...success! [email protected] is a thing. Which means I really need to get a static project doc site up so this can be advertised.

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