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BjarniRunar avatar BjarniRunar commented on May 19, 2024

We've debated this quite a bit - I still think it's the wrong way to address the admittedly "spammy" nature of e-mail signatures.

To publicly document why I dislike the idea:

  • Although redundant, I consider message signatures to be important parts of the content of e-mail. I use them (far more frequently than I use business cards) and their usefulness would be severely degraded if they were only present in some mails and not others.
  • I do not think we should do anything that removes potentially useful information from the mail flow.
  • I feel this proposal is somewhat pointless - even if we did kill outgoing signatures, our users wouldn't really notice a difference for quite some time, because most incoming mail is authored by other mail clients that won't follow this pattern.
  • Users who don't want to have outgoing signatures at all, are free to not use that feature.
  • Users who request a signature in Mailpile should have their request honoured by the app at all times, not some of the time, based on an inflexible and imprecise algorithm.
  • Signatures are branding, both personal and potentially for Mailpile itself. Good branding should be tasteful and consistent.

That said, I do feel that it would be very appropriate for Mailpile to do the following to make signatures less annoying:

  • Encourage our own users to keep their outgoing signatures short and sweet. Maybe provide templates that suck less?
  • Make it easy for users to add structured signatures instead of ad-hoc text (attaching vcards or using microformats (hCard) in HTML mail)
  • Add features to the UI to make incoming signatures more useful (there are hints of this in the UI of Mailpile today) - this means detecting incoming vcard/hcards and when possible making sense of the contents of ad-hoc text signatures.
  • Add features to the UI to make incoming signatures less annoying (hide them from view much of the time, by collapsing them)

(Note: I'm removing the low-hanging-fruit label from this, as I feel it's quite unfair to volunteers to encourage them to work on stuff that the core team doesn't even agree should be implemented at all. Recategorizing as a discussion.)

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Cathryne avatar Cathryne commented on May 19, 2024

GMail hides signatures behind a [...] and has a very good detection IMHO. That would be a good compromise IMHO for a feature on the receiver's end. I agree that adding new signature options for a sender might not be a good idea. Signature templates would be cool!

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virtadpt avatar virtadpt commented on May 19, 2024

RFC-3676 defines how .signatures are demarcated in message bodies: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4.3

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bnvk avatar bnvk commented on May 19, 2024

I think the solution we have for this is decent at present. Still working on integrating signatures in useful ways, but closing for now!

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