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davidlmobley avatar davidlmobley commented on June 3, 2024

Totally agree; I think we discussed it somewhere and this change just didn't make it in yet. Maybe with @hmayes ?

Is there anything else we should be changing at the same time, e.g., layout of info within citations?

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dwsideriusNIST avatar dwsideriusNIST commented on June 3, 2024

For the bibliography layout, we need to decide if DOI and/or title is required in the entry or not.

I'd be happy if we adopted a standard format, like Phys Rev or J Chem Phys. They are compact but sufficiently verbose.

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davidlmobley avatar davidlmobley commented on June 3, 2024

We have no length limits, so I think we should have title for sure. DOI makes sense to me too since we'll want to encourage citation of non-traditional publications which may have DOIs.

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dwsideriusNIST avatar dwsideriusNIST commented on June 3, 2024

Good point about no length limit; if DOI is required (when it exists) then we should add that to the author guide.

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mrshirts avatar mrshirts commented on June 3, 2024

I agree about adding instructions to add DOI. I will play around with the bibliography style.

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jchodera avatar jchodera commented on June 3, 2024

I think hyperlinked DOIs are a great idea, especially for best practices papers. The current eLife template makes them appear in nice hyperlinked form in the manuscript, but some more tweaking would be needed to make sure http://doi.org/ is prepended to the doi field content to get the link to work correctly.

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mrshirts avatar mrshirts commented on June 3, 2024

One thing I remembered with natbib is that if you have numbered citations, then the \citep{} notation fails. This takes a bit of a workaround that I haven't figure out yet.

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mrshirts avatar mrshirts commented on June 3, 2024

Also, do people prefer square bracket numbers, or superscripts? I'm leaning towards square brackets.

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dwsideriusNIST avatar dwsideriusNIST commented on June 3, 2024

I vote for square brackets; you can just use \cite{} everywhere instead of the menagerie of \cite, \onlinecite, \citen depending on the sentence structure.

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hmayes avatar hmayes commented on June 3, 2024

That is a huge plus!!

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davidlmobley avatar davidlmobley commented on June 3, 2024

Agreed with square brackets, yes.

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davidlmobley avatar davidlmobley commented on June 3, 2024

@dwsideriusNIST - are you doing this or do you need us to work on this?

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dwsideriusNIST avatar dwsideriusNIST commented on June 3, 2024

Sorry, I thought we had someone specifically handling the class file modifications.

I won't be able to work on it for a week or so, so if someone else wants to attempt it before then, please go ahead!

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davidlmobley avatar davidlmobley commented on June 3, 2024

I think changing the citation style is just something which is done with options in the TeX of the template, and not the class file. :)

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dwsideriusNIST avatar dwsideriusNIST commented on June 3, 2024

In that case, we need a list of built-in class options in the author guide.

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mrshirts avatar mrshirts commented on June 3, 2024

I'll take it, might take a couple of days to get to.

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dwsideriusNIST avatar dwsideriusNIST commented on June 3, 2024

I found the instructions in the livecoms.cls file that are controlling the citation style. If we want to make that an option for the class, then it will involve deeper modifications to the class file. A pull-request will be sent in momentarily.

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dwsideriusNIST avatar dwsideriusNIST commented on June 3, 2024

While working on the reference format, I also considered changing the color of the citations; currently they are "LiveCoMSMediumGrey" - which doesn't stand out well.

Would a few of you look at the bracketed citation style and let me know if you think a different color would be better? I know exactly where to make the modification in the class file.

To see an example, clone this repo: https://github.com/dwsideriusNIST/article_templates and checkout the "citation_color" branch to see a version that uses "LiveCoMSLightBlue" instead of grey. [There's probably a more elegant way to do this, but since I can't create a branch in the main repo, this is what I came up with quickly.]

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davidlmobley avatar davidlmobley commented on June 3, 2024

Do you mind pushing an example PDF which has that color in it? I visited the PDF in your branch on GitHub but I'm not finidng a citation in this color in it. (Or maybe it's there and I'm not looking on the write page...)

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dwsideriusNIST avatar dwsideriusNIST commented on June 3, 2024

An updated PDF is now in the "citation_color" branch of https://github.com/dwsideriusNIST/article_templates

Look on page 6, first column, first paragraph, for an example.

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davidlmobley avatar davidlmobley commented on June 3, 2024

I like that a lot. @hmayes , thoughts?

For a direct link, use https://github.com/dwsideriusNIST/article_templates/blob/citation_color/templates/livecoms-template-bestpractices.pdf

Thanks.

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hmayes avatar hmayes commented on June 3, 2024

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davidlmobley avatar davidlmobley commented on June 3, 2024

Resolved by #36 .

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