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jepusto avatar jepusto commented on August 17, 2024 1

We use the definition from Cameron and Miller (2015, p. 9). There's not a clear right answer even for very simple cases because the degree of bias depends on whether the predictors are identified within each cluster or between clusters:

  • If you've got all between-cluster predictors (no within-cluster variation), then m / (m - p) will be a closer approximation.
  • If the predictor of interest is identified within each cluster, then the CRVE is roughly the sample variance of the cluster-specific slope estimates, in which case m / (m - 1) will be a closer approximation.

But I think the take-away is clear: CR1 (either version) doesn't account for the fact that the degree of bias adjustment depends on the structure of the predictors. Better to use CR2, which takes these features into account, instead.

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wviechtb avatar wviechtb commented on August 17, 2024

I agree that CR2 is better. I was just comparing results from clubSandwich with robust() from metafor, where I use m / (m - p) by default. One can set adjust = "Stata2", which then uses m / (m - 1), but this is currently undocumented (and adjust = "Stata1" which is the same as CR1S, but see issue #23). Would you mind adding m / (m - p) as another option (as CR1<?>)?

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jepusto avatar jepusto commented on August 17, 2024

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wviechtb avatar wviechtb commented on August 17, 2024

Is the rationale just compatibility/comparability with metafor?

Indeed. Thanks for considering.

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