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iterativv avatar iterativv commented on August 16, 2024 1

I'm noob of this strategy, can someone summary this X4strategy? Even I put into Claude that over its limit

Well, the objective is to increase the profit. There is grinding, that is partial entries & exits. To help exit sooner a trade. Generally is strict, so not too much trading is going on normally.

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RichRadd avatar RichRadd commented on August 16, 2024

1st Trade - Entry code 120
Entry code 120 is a continuious grinding tag, It will make a certain number of trades. If you look at the current open stake on this trade you will see its ~$8USD being the minimum value allowed in freqtrade (I believe), but its basically already exited.
Using NFI you need to ignore the "Current Profit" and focus on the "Total Profit" which you will see is still in the green.
It dropped all of its stake and sold prior to the drop in the token itself.
Entry code 120 is only enabled for a set number of "trusted" coins

If you had a larger stake originally, say $100, it would have "grind purchased" another $40 and then sold $132 leaving only $8 stake.
As you're running a relatively low balance (which is smart) it only purchased $8, and couldn't sell the original buy in that sense.
Iterativ can correct me if I'm wrong.

2nd Trade, I agree that this is a pretty terrible entry in my eyes, but also impossible to detect a pump before hand, especially coins that aren't in the top 100

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Jorman avatar Jorman commented on August 16, 2024

Ciao @RichRadd
Yes I'm testing live, with a low amount, I started with about $80, to see how it performs, the idea is to add something every month, before I had 6 slots open, then searching and reading I seem to have understood that anyway NFI uses half of the available stake, I guess to keep open the chances of recovery, so these days I decreased to 4 slots.

Yes the total profit is still green, obviously before it was at about 89 it was even greener, about 6 or 7% for the single trade, which already looked good to me, I'm used to seeing closed orders around 1.3%, so that's why I was "alarmed", now for example it drop to 2% the total profit on that trade
Not being an expert my logic is very basic, why keep funds "busy" for a long time, when maybe you can make many "small" trades in the meantime? But as I always say I have only to learn, having no experience in this regard.

Yes the representation of the second trade is not the best, however it closed in the positive, of course in hindsight everyone is capable!

That is why I ask if it is useful for the developer to have this kind of images, or other data, from the live behaviors, maybe to "calibrate" the script better

I use the recommended settings I found here on git, both the blacklist and the coin selection filters, and use 75 of them

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RichRadd avatar RichRadd commented on August 16, 2024

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iterativv avatar iterativv commented on August 16, 2024

@Jorman Hi, yes, 120 is special trades. It's the total profit that matter there. It's going to grind (partial buys and exits), until the total profit is 7.8 or so for you.

If you exited it, it's going to pick another one. Generally after live too, 120 trades can be slow, but safe enough, with no big drawdowns. The objective is to make as much profit as the first entry. That should be 20% of the slot stake, unless that is lower than 7.8 or so, then it's the min, 7.8

120 is only for selected coins too, it's not trade to trade anything. There is a list in NFI for such coins. LTC, XLM, ALGO, ADA and so on .. good ones.

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iterativv avatar iterativv commented on August 16, 2024

Also, you can join the discord server, find the links in main page.

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Jorman avatar Jorman commented on August 16, 2024

Thank you both, like always I'll leave it running, so like you said I'll join in the discord channel.
So this's how is going the trade, for now no new entry, although you can see a couple of good spots to get in
Screenshot 2024-05-24 125943

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iterativv avatar iterativv commented on August 16, 2024

Yes, for normal trades also, the first entry is 50% stake. Unless that is lower than the min allowed, then it's going to be the min.

For rebuy mode, 61-62, it's 20% of the normal stake, with chance to get rebuys if dip.

For grind mode, 120, it's special, only for selected coins, set internally to NFI. It's going to grind until enough profit. Currently 120 is set to 1 max trade per bot.

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NicoNicoNico123 avatar NicoNicoNico123 commented on August 16, 2024

I'm noob of this strategy, can someone summary this X4strategy? Even I put into Claude that over its limit

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