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Jir4 avatar Jir4 commented on May 29, 2024

In an other hand, it's a bad habit in enterprise to not follow dependency's version. At my work we have some soft under php 4.4.8 and servers are hacked regularely.

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Grummfy avatar Grummfy commented on May 29, 2024

Yes. Enterprise have bad habits. But honestly if fix a rule to try as
possible to follow the previous version of php. I think it could be enough
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In an other hand, it's a bad habit in enterprise to not follow
dependency's version. At my work we have some soft under php 4.4.8 and
servers are hacked regularely.


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Hywan avatar Hywan commented on May 29, 2024

Rolling release and semver

On one hand, Hoa is a rolling-released software. So we are not supposed to have versions.

However, since this is a requirement for several users, we have designed the Rush Release, standing for Rolling Und ScHeduled Release (http://hoa-project.net/En/Source.html#Rush_Release). This release system is compatible with both semver and rolling release. The format is: x.y.m.d where x has the exact same semantics than in the semver.

So, in some way, we follow semver if users are only concerned by backward compatibilities.

I guess we have no free room to discuss about that. Hoa is rolling released. That's the basis. We are partly compatible with semver, that's a must have.

Now, because we are a rolling released software, we do not maintain old versions. master is the main branch. When a BC break is introduced, a new master branch is “created”, and so old one is just forgotten. We do not maintain several versions in parallel.

PHP version dropping

Knowing that, on the other hand, we decided to drop PHP versions as soon as they are dropped by the PHP group itself. Why? For the sake of the ecosystem.

But we have rules here. Each time we drop a PHP version, we consider this as a BC break. Actually it is most of the time not, but we consider it is all the time.

So for a company that would like to stick on an old, unmaintain, unsecure and slow PHP version, good! I wish them the best. But we, Hoa, continue to evolve, with another x in the snapshot tag. Company will not receive any new updates from us, but they will not receive any new updates from PHP neither. I don't see any issue here.

Thoughts :-)?

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Grummfy avatar Grummfy commented on May 29, 2024

For the version, I honestly don't care what we use. It's documented, so it's OK.

For the version, why all known librairies/framework, does maintain it? Because company ask it.

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Jir4 avatar Jir4 commented on May 29, 2024

For the version, why all known librairies/framework, does maintain it? Because company ask it.

http://symfony.com/doc/current/reference/requirements.html

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Hywan avatar Hywan commented on May 29, 2024

@Grummfy

For the version, why all known librairies/framework, does maintain it? Because company ask it.

In case we would provide a product, it would make sense. But since we are providing libraries, and since we are doing rolling release, then it does not make sense. Moreover, we do not have the man power to maintain more than 1 version per library. Currently, we have 53 libraries on Packagist. If we maintain at least 2 versions per libraries, it means to maintain 106 projects! Good luck with that. It's already hard to maintain 53 projects so far.

Maybe in the future. But not today. I don't see any good reasons to do that. No company asked yet.

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Grummfy avatar Grummfy commented on May 29, 2024

oki, this is pretty clear.

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